Hey guys. Got lazy this week and let AI analyze our podcast episode and write the description. I mean it's coming for our jobs, so might as well get a head start on being unemployed, right?
Ever found yourself wondering if the impressive economic headlines truly reflect the reality on the ground? Our latest episode strips down the facade of the film industry, revealing the harsh contrasts between what's reported and the struggles of those behind the scenes. We kick off with a jest about personal style choices but quickly transition into the domino effect job delays have on the crew, discussing the emotional toll of uncertainty and the discord between economic narratives and actual quality of life.
This time around, we're not just sharing stories; we're inviting listeners to join an introspective journey. We examine the challenges of maintaining relationships with differing political views, especially when discussing the economy, and recount a personal conflict that taught us the value of communication. As we navigate the choppy waters of media frenzy over high-profile cases in entertainment, you'll find us questioning the influence of appearances on public perception and legal outcomes, all while weighing in on the latest camera tech trends, from the cutting-edge Ronin 4D to the impact of corporate acquisitions on the industry.
Get ready for a discussion that oscillates between technical insights and philosophical musings, as we balance the scales of daily life, from handling neighborly dynamics to planning the ultimate snowboarding getaway. Discover how we approach the delicate dance between responsibility and freedom, setting 'traps' for ourselves to stay motivated. It's a blend of raw reflections and light-hearted banter as we tackle life's bigger questions without losing sight of the small joys, like finding the perfect snow-covered slope. Join us as we delve into these topics and share the laughs, lessons, and occasional gripes from our own experiences.
Hey guys. Got lazy this week and let AI analyze our podcast episode and write the description. I mean it's coming for our jobs, so might as well get a head start on being unemployed, right?
Ever found yourself wondering if the impressive economic headlines truly reflect the reality on the ground? Our latest episode strips down the facade of the film industry, revealing the harsh contrasts between what's reported and the struggles of those behind the scenes. We kick off with a jest about personal style choices but quickly transition into the domino effect job delays have on the crew, discussing the emotional toll of uncertainty and the discord between economic narratives and actual quality of life.
This time around, we're not just sharing stories; we're inviting listeners to join an introspective journey. We examine the challenges of maintaining relationships with differing political views, especially when discussing the economy, and recount a personal conflict that taught us the value of communication. As we navigate the choppy waters of media frenzy over high-profile cases in entertainment, you'll find us questioning the influence of appearances on public perception and legal outcomes, all while weighing in on the latest camera tech trends, from the cutting-edge Ronin 4D to the impact of corporate acquisitions on the industry.
Get ready for a discussion that oscillates between technical insights and philosophical musings, as we balance the scales of daily life, from handling neighborly dynamics to planning the ultimate snowboarding getaway. Discover how we approach the delicate dance between responsibility and freedom, setting 'traps' for ourselves to stay motivated. It's a blend of raw reflections and light-hearted banter as we tackle life's bigger questions without losing sight of the small joys, like finding the perfect snow-covered slope. Join us as we delve into these topics and share the laughs, lessons, and occasional gripes from our own experiences.
Boodie, boodie, Everybody. We're back with another episode. How's it going, Dustin?
Speaker 2:Uh, you know, I've been better, I've been worse. Oh, that shirt got you down. Now I like this shirt. I haven't worn this shirt in a long time. I think it's pretty snazzy looking.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at a shirt with horizontal lines blue, white, red.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a golfer's shirt, right Sort of a polo cut with like a breathable fabric.
Speaker 1:I, like John Daly, would wear that shirt.
Speaker 2:Tiger Woods wouldn't wear it, but, john, you know what you can't tell from looking at this shirt on video is how bad my body smells under this shirt. My pits are pretty ripe right now. Oh boy, yeah, I'm going to need to shower relatively soon and I'm going to have to use a lot of chemicals in there to get the stench off of me. Yeah, all right, got a haircut. What do you think? Can't tell, I'm sure, but got a haircut, got a haircut.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:Wanted to look good for my new job. That has delayed yet again. Oh yeah, fucking how many.
Speaker 1:What number of delays are you on right now?
Speaker 2:Two I don't know, maybe this is like the fourth time or something.
Speaker 1:Oh this is yeah, it's pretty wild. This is not sounding good.
Speaker 2:No, it's not Like the one good thing is like I at least started getting some like paperwork and stuff for starting. They got that process kind of slowly started yesterday. So at least I've actually finally heard from someone from the production office for the first time, so that's a big improvement. But yeah, they cut our load in days and then so yeah, so this job is now, I think, eight days less than it was originally supposed to be. That's a bummer.
Speaker 2:And then they lost the location. And so then they had another location and found out oh, I now will be spending an additional like two hours in the car every single day because it's way further away. And then late last night found out that actually that location they also were not able to secure. So now they're pushing back. They're still saying we're going to be filming on Tuesday, but they're they don't actually have a location secured. So I don't know why they're so confident that we're starting on Tuesday, but we were supposed to start this Thursday, and then it was Friday and then it was Monday, and now it's Tuesday and they don't know where the fuck it's going to be.
Speaker 2:And what's crazy to me is, whatever location they have, don't they have sets that they have to bring in and decorate to make it look like Like this is season two of a show. Don't they have to replicate the apartment set and the the recording studio set and all that? Or are they just going to be like, oh, every season, every season, these girls have just moved into a new apartment, because we can't ever book the same place twice. When, like in the first season, they shot in an elementary school, so it's no longer a school Now it's rented out for studio space and stuff, and so they're using these classrooms and making them look like a bar, making them look like an apartment, making them look like whatever. And I don't know how hard it is to like you just take any room and as long as you bring in the same furniture and the same, maybe have a couple of wall panels, and you know you can just like keep moving that set around and rebuilding it everywhere.
Speaker 2:But then I have to wonder at a show that's complaining about budget like this were they actually storing those sets? Some like, have they been paying a storage facility to keep those sets somewhere? Like it makes sense that they would do that on a real show, you know, like on a network television program. But as much as they're like I don't know, it seems to be that there's a lot of budget problems on this show, a lot of budget issues. That's why they keep shortening it and shortening it and one of the guys on the G&E team quit and they're like well, we're not replacing them, and I think they tried to fire me too. I didn't.
Speaker 2:So I heard through the grapevine that they were wanting to cut somebody, but the guy that was telling me about it was like yeah, there was another guy they wanted to leave and we all stood up and said, no, we have to have the help. We can't do it with Les Boboball, whatever. And so we. But like I must have been the guy right. I think he didn't want to tell me that it was me, but it had to be me. What if you get back? What if you finally go back to?
Speaker 1:shooting and they're on season four and you're like wait a minute, Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:What was I for all the in between seasons?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they've just been work, like they actually did start in January and they just nobody had the heart to tell me yeah, yeah, no. So I don't know, when I hear the story that they were trying to lose another person or ever, I'm pretty sure it was me and the guy just didn't want to say that it was me. But how could it not have been me? Like everybody else was on the last season, I'm coming in like as the fucking you know. You know like I'm the lowest ranked person on the G and E team of, I think, four or five people, so whatever, yeah, I don't know, I don't feel great, I don't feel optimistic, I don't really feel like I'm not really sure that moving to Atlanta was the right choice after all, because it does kind of feel like I made yet another huge blunder With my career and I don't know. Well, I don't. I don't think it's all about where I'm moving to now.
Speaker 1:No, it's not all me.
Speaker 2:But I just can't keep. I don't know. I just feel like I just fucking need a win. You know, I just need it. I just need something to work out Like things have not. I don't know, is it really? Am I really going to live my whole life and look back and be like, yep, 2013 was one of the peak? I'm never going to get back to that. I just feel like, you know, I moved to Colorado and I lost my business over it.
Speaker 2:I tried to keep it going. I couldn't manage the sales and you know, I lost my business. So then I took a job and I thought it was a really good job and it was for like 10 months, and then that turned fucking, really, really shitty and became like the worst experience of my life and I had to walk away from that. And then I went into freelancing and I really loved it, but then winter came and I couldn't fucking make it and so I had to take a job. And then I took that job with a lot of optimism for where I could grow the company. And then all that fucking went out the window with COVID and that job turned into the number one thing I didn't want to do and I had to quit that. And then I came out here Like I just keep taking these leaps of faith and they keep not panning out.
Speaker 2:I guess what I'm trying to say is that I am a loser.
Speaker 1:And don't be like me. That clip of the euphoria mom, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't watch it but like I looked at the headline, I skimmed it for like a second. The idea is that she's on a hit show and she's famous, but she literally can't even pay her rent in her like regular ass middle middle class apartment because her show has been off the air and they don't know when they're doing another season. Dude, all these fucking, all these fucking shows that have seven episodes, eight episodes, even 10 episodes is not enough for like these actors get what's supposed to be their big break, but because they're only doing seven episodes or eight episodes, it's not quite enough for them to live on. And then, especially when you have like a strike or a pandemic or something, and then they're like, oh, we're going to all like not only is there not that many episodes, but we're going to take off two years in between seasons. So you have these people that are like famous and poor. It's fucking wild. Yeah, not a good time to be alive. Well, it's just one of the anything cool.
Speaker 1:Obviously, the industry is just like massively changing and I realized I was like, yeah, I guess it makes sense because there's so many other things for people to do now, like even my wife you may entertain it wise. Yeah, my wife will spend like three hours looking at Instagram, and that's three hours that she's not watching a movie. Right, like it used to be that women would like get on the couch and eat a whole thing of ice cream while I watch a movie, but now they'll Okay. Women.
Speaker 2:Now that's something. Only only women watch TV. The fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was not a gender specific activity.
Speaker 2:Well, women make up like ice cream while they do it Like. That's just from movies, that's just a Nora Efron movie.
Speaker 1:Not really. I've seen people do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, do you think I don't eat ice cream? Look at my body type.
Speaker 1:I think it all started with reality TV. Like you had this, now you have this new option. It's like I don't have to watch a movie, I could watch reality TV.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:So every moment that's not being spent Uh, every moment that's being spent looking at your phone or doing like whatever watching a reality TV show, or watching an eight episode series or a four part documentary thing on Netflix or whatever. That's all time that's not being spent watching like studio movies.
Speaker 2:Does it piss you off when you are watching media news something and they keep talking about how great the economy is right now? Oh well, you're like. You know it is not. I don't care about GDP.
Speaker 1:You just realized that like, oh, nobody's doing journalism, this is like it's like state propaganda, practically. How could, how could? Nobody thinks that, nobody thinks the economy is doing. Well, I've not, I've literally no real actual person, yeah on the news.
Speaker 2:They keep saying how great the economy is right now and I'm like fucking. For who? Not me? Anybody that works in any? Not anybody that's ever tried to make a living with the camera? The economy is not great right now. Not anybody that has to do their own grocery shopping? The economy is not great right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy. Well, the numbers they point to, they're like, look, we added this many jobs. And it's like, yeah, these are their dog shit job. Yeah they are. It's like okay, so you'd have to have five of those to make right. Yeah right, it's insane.
Speaker 2:The way they just manipulate.
Speaker 1:The way they manipulate the information is just like so wacky. You're just like okay, well, you're lying, this is a lie.
Speaker 2:It's like don't tell it's like lie, I'm strong because Wall Street gamblers are doing well. That's not the economy. The economy is like will I be homeless if I eat a fucking cheeseburger?
Speaker 1:Yeah, to me a good economy is you can meet all of your expenses for your household of one person working full time.
Speaker 2:That's a good that's literally never going to happen again. Because women just had to work what? No, they just had to be in the workforce. I have this running.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm like, every time a woman screws something up, I'm like see this, oh my God.
Speaker 2:I literally don't know how your wife is married to you. It doesn't make any sense at all. Your wife is like super liberal and you're super not liberal. I don't know. I mean, I couldn't be married to somebody that thinks the way you think. I don't know how she does it.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, I mean. Hey, I got a lot to ask, I'm not gonna offer.
Speaker 2:All right, let me ask this Do you discuss politics with your wife as much as you discuss them with me?
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say that we discuss it that much. So I'd say you mean you? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean, we discuss it enough that it can be problematic for our continued closeness. We don't really.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say we really even have discussions about it. I might make a snarky comment, and that's, it usually ends there.
Speaker 2:We got into an argument one time where I didn't talk to you for like four months afterward because I was just so upset. Oh really, yeah, you don't even know, you just know because you're the kind of person that would be so angry.
Speaker 1:And then you would just like avoid me for old. But I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2:Like I wouldn't know, you didn't know, you just thought you were living your life and I was living my life, but I was literally just like I can't talk to this fucking guy right now. There's a couple of years ago. Okay, well, there you go. Yeah, that sounds like you didn't even know. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:I guess I need to it sounds like it might require a little soul searching.
Speaker 2:Need to be more accepting, I guess.
Speaker 1:You know that, that Hannah Gutierrez thing, the armor from Russ.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so I've been pretty obsessed with that.
Speaker 1:That's one of those things that when I when that happened, I looked at my wife and I was like see women in the workplace.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, you did not. Oh, that's so fucked. Hey, so have you been following that at all? I have a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 1:I don't First of all, I don't here's. Here's where I'm at with it. I don't make a point to follow it, but I do seem to get the updates when they happen.
Speaker 2:So you mean from me, or you mean just like it just is unavoidable either from you or here's the thing I don't like TMZ. I don't like TMZ.
Speaker 1:Like I hate the way they write their articles, like they always add they, these people at TMZ, are so self-righteous. They're so stupid.
Speaker 2:It's the bottom of the barrel as far as journalism. I mean, that's the, that's the worst form of journalism. These are not good people.
Speaker 1:These are people who take people's and bear it. They take people's most humiliating moments and then they're like look at this everybody. And then they write the article from this super self-righteous bullshit kind of perspective. It's so obnoxious, but I do visit the website almost every day.
Speaker 2:No, it's no, you do not. It's disappointing that people choose to consume that type of media. But you get. But I mean, I don't really care. I feel the same way about reality TV.
Speaker 1:The thing about TMZ is I don't know who most of the people are anymore. There was a time where I knew like who everybody was, and now there's like so many. Oh yeah, that's part of getting older.
Speaker 2:We're not cool. It's not even like if I watch the Grammys, half of the fucking musicians on there I've never even heard of them. I don't, I don't care to know them. I don't want to get to know them. Yeah, we're old. We're old now. We're old men, we're just it's.
Speaker 1:Some of it is that, but some of it too is just like. It goes back to the fracturing of media and just how many different ways you can consume stuff now that people are nobody's really insanely famous.
Speaker 2:No, but it's also. It's also just about a swift or something.
Speaker 1:But most people like the height of fame now is really not nearly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's way more watered down.
Speaker 2:But I mean it's also just about like I am an old man and my interests are like the amount of information that I now possess about the different types of lawns compared to what I know about the music industry. Like dude, I know a thousand times more about Bermuda than I do about fucking. You know hip hop, or like pop music or you know what what child actor everyone thinks is hot now? Like dude, some of like the, like the supposedly like the hottest actresses in Hollywood, or whatever I look at them like, those are children. That's just a child. It's inappropriate for her to be dressing like that. I really am. I really am an old man.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here's here's one of my thoughts on this, hannah Gutierrez. Um, I understand that as men, we're supposed to just like pretend we can't see women, or certainly never supposed to comment or have any opinions on their appearance. But if you're on trial because you did your job so bad that someone died from you not doing your job, so now you're like in front of a jury and a judge and you're, you know, trying to have you've paid all this money to a defense attorney because you're trying to avoid spending the rest of your life in prison. Would you wear cat eye makeup at that time? I'm not seeing any articles about this, but is cat eye makeup how you went over a jury Like you, literally even now, you couldn't just for a second stop being a hot topic kid.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I pulled up the video. I'm going to look at her. I just kept being like I can't fucking believe.
Speaker 2:Now it's like where the eyeliner in the corner has, like you know it goes out into an extra.
Speaker 1:I'm looking out of that. It comes out a little extra, it's a very. It's not that. It's a very hot topic, aesthetic and it's just like hers isn't crazy, though Like I'm looking at she's like kind of I don't know, she's kind of cute.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that was going to be my next quick. Would you bang murderer Hannah Gutierrez?
Speaker 1:for you. Yeah, I don't think she's on trial for murder.
Speaker 2:After hearing, like all of her co-workers testifying about what she's like and her work ethic and stuff, I just, I just find her just so repulsive that, no, I don't believe who hasn't made a whoopsy every once in a while?
Speaker 1:Whoopsy Daisy.
Speaker 2:That was a big whoopsy, that was a big time whoopsy. I felt for a long time, um, I felt for a long time that I I don't like things in our industry where people sort of glorify risk taking and being dangerous and stuff like you know, like there's like the fearless photographer award and stuff where it's like, oh look, how crazy I am and I'll do this. Like, oh wow, this guy took this photograph. Well, he's dangling off the side of ability, but like that kind of shit fucking pisses me off. And the attitude of like that gorilla filmmaker attitude of just like doing what you have to do and not, you know, like we don't need permits, we don't, like I hate that shit.
Speaker 2:I always think like no shot is worth. You know, the do anything to get the shot attitude pisses me off because it's like, first of all, like there's no shot that's going to make or break your film, really Like get the shot a different way, use a different shot, shoot enough stuff that you have enough stuff in the edit to make it work. But I always felt like there's no shot that is worth breaking my camera or hurting myself. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think what they were trying to do with this particular scene wasn't anything new, it wasn't anything revolutionary, it's just this yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean they all they all just didn't do the thing they were supposed to do, and it's. You know. What's shocking to me is how many movies that Alec Baldwin has done. Now, I guess I don't know how many movies he's done where he's held a gun, but I see so many TV shows and movies where people have their finger either on the trigger or they're squeezing the trigger of the gun the whole time in the scene. Yeah, and I'm like how has the person who handed them the weapon not shown them like, hey, you're going to be?
Speaker 2:acting. What are?
Speaker 1:you supposed to do, not even just from a safety standpoint, which I think is important, but like, just from like a realism standpoint. Like don't you want this to look real? Like you would never hold the gun by pulling, you would just never have the trigger squeeze while you're pointing the gun at somebody. You know what I mean? Uh-huh, it's insane. They're like I watched Monarch on Apple TV and they walk around with those trigger squeeze the whole time. In this scene, psych he's already discharged the bullet is what you're telling me. You know what I mean. It's like, so it's so insane.
Speaker 2:How is the armor? Or?
Speaker 1:whoever's handing these people the guns not saying, hey, put your finger up here and keep it straight like you get. Your finger shouldn't be on the trigger Like I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. The whole thing makes me just not ever want to use guns in anything I ever make. I mean, I mean, it doesn't I, I just feel like guns are played out as a story element, as a prop anyway. Yeah, like yeah what could you put like? What could you possibly do that hasn't already been done on television and film? And don't you think knives are more cinematic and, like sword, swords are way more cinematic anyway. Hmm, maybe I don't think, I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't have a preference, I don't. I'm like I guess I'm. I don't really care either way, I just am like kind of blown away that this even happened. You know who else was blown away.
Speaker 2:You know, sometimes, though sometimes, oh my God, shut up Sometimes I'm I wasn't the only one Sometimes I'm more surprised that Sometimes I'm more like I'm surprised that there aren't more massive tragedies.
Speaker 2:When I see the way people are careless and stuff, or just like I haven't seen one of these articles in a while, but for a while it seemed like every year there would be another article about some bride at a trash, the dress session, drowning because they put her in her wedding dress.
Speaker 2:And then they're like, wait out there into the ocean or jump off of this boat or whatever. And then they don't realize that, like when you get a wedding dress soaking wet, suddenly it's like hundreds of pounds and it pulls your ass down, or or you get drifted out to current or whatever, and when you know, like if it takes 15 minutes to get out of it, you're going to drown before you can figure out how to slip that thing off. And so, yeah, there's been a bunch of brides that have died, like on their wedding day or the day after their wedding day, because some asshole photographer had a cool idea, and so I don't know. And then the other thing like you know how I feel about the homeless and the homeless, the homeless yeah you're scared when you're shooting.
Speaker 2:I'm so fucking scared of homeless people. It's not that I'm scared, it's just I.
Speaker 1:It's that you understand that a lot of them are not totally there and they're capable of anything.
Speaker 2:I mean almost every single like. Some of them sure are just like drugs, whatever, yeah, but for the most part, homeless people are dealing with pretty severe mental health issues. Oh yeah, and some of them may not, you know, they might think they're in fucking Vietnam still, and you know, like they just, they're just. You can't predict their behavior At any minute. Any one of them could try to kill you because they think you're a dragon Like. They don't know what the fuck is going on and they're capable of immense violence based out of maybe little little more than just confusion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so no fault of their own. They might just be having a massive hallucination with her in their own schizo-front mind.
Speaker 2:Like their brain doesn't work Right. So now you have the strength of a man with the unpredictability of a psychotic woman.
Speaker 1:Oh, and so then, a photographer.
Speaker 2:Wants me to go. Tell the homeless person to please go away so that we can get pictures of a bride and groom at a park that they're not even getting married at. We probably are. I've already told this story, were you there?
Speaker 1:Who was with me at that? Yeah, I'm the one who protected you from the homeless people.
Speaker 2:Well, we were shooting, we're shooting a wedding and the photographer had this brilliant idea for let's go to downtown and bring our clients over to the park. That is like the park that the city of Denver has let become completely taken over by the homeless population, so it literally is just fucking hobo village yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're like let's go over here. They did have to close it. They did close it for a period of time.
Speaker 2:Oh is it. I don't know if it's okay now, but they did?
Speaker 1:They did shut it down for a while because it's fucking insanely dangerous.
Speaker 2:Anyway, so the photographer insists that we go take pictures of the client over there. Meanwhile their wedding isn't there, their reception isn't there. We're 20 minutes away from where they're getting married. There's no logical reason for them to have photographs there. Like, what memory are you trying to preserve? You're making up a fake memory, like that has nothing to do with their wedding day or whatever.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, we go over there and there's, like you know, homeless people sitting around where this lady wants to take pictures. And she keeps trying to get me to go tell the homeless people to leave. And I'm like first of all, it's a public park. They have a right to be here and, second of all, why don't you do it? You're the one that I don't even want to take images here. I don't see how this has anything to do with their wedding story. And she's like well, you're like a big man and I'm a little lady. I'm like, oh, so I get to get killed because you're a little lady that makes dumb ass choices. Fuck you. You go tell the homeless guy to leave. They didn't. I never worked with her again.
Speaker 2:That was not like a relationship that grew, yeah, but you know it's shit like that all the time, to where I'm just like I'm shocked that people aren't dying more at weddings. And when you see, like, how often these planners and like florists and decorators and stuff they have no concept of like a low center of gravity and a top heavy item, like how many fucking times have you been a job and seen the centerpiece on the table blow over in the wind? And then they just pick it up and be like, well, that probably won't happen again. And then it blows over again, and then they just keep picking it up and then everyone's like they don't want to have a rock we can put on this, and then they don't. So then they're just like, well, let's just hope. And then Augusta Wayne, and then they kind of them fall over. Dude, I mean, we was at your wedding where the, the, the horror or the hoop or whatever at Aspen came crashing down. Was that you or Noveli? Hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It was one of those two Aspen weddings I did this year. Yeah, like five minutes before the wedding, the whole fucking thing blows down the side of a mountain and it's like I don't know, man, you guys, you guys built, you guys built like basically a sailboat for them to get married under and you built it out of fucking twigs and and not and string Twigs and bears, like you know, like, just from an engineering standpoint, these like florists, I swear to God, they need, they need some basic construction skills. They don't seem to know what bolts to use, what screws to use. They don't seem to understand how to like weigh things down, like when you see some of these makeshift, you know gazebos or whatever that they want people to get married at, they're like you could just you could blow them down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did. I did one last year, last season, where, like a you know the thing where they put all the name tags for people to get their name tag and go sit at their table, like they had a big one of those that blew over or something like it fell over and it like cut this lady's foot and then but the lady ended up being crazy, like she was a she really took advantage, like she was, like they had to call in, like the lead planner, who it was like her day off and they had to like call her and and like start the whole like process of like insurance and like all this stuff. But then the lady ended up being like not just like, like she, like it wasn't even that bad of a cut and, yeah, for sure. Like whatever bills need to be paid, okay, go through insurance, blah, blah, blah, but like her whole thing, like she made the biggest scene and ended up just being such a nightmare of a person.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it was a kind of does happen. It was the kind of injury where if it had happened to you you just wouldn't have even told anybody.
Speaker 1:Really, Like I mean, I probably I'm, maybe I would have, but like I would have probably kept doing my job. I would have been like, hey, do we have a bandage that I can wrap my right this wound with? And then I'll, you know, I'll deal with it when I get home, or whatever. But she was like splayed out at the wedding, like they had to like move her kind of away from like where everybody was and like proper up on it. She was like acting like she was dying of sepsis, you know, and you're like lady, it's just a cut on your foot. But yeah, that's, yeah, I mean for sure. I thought the way like the why people don't secure things or have some sort of have some sort of system in place for these things where you can attach, you can stake stuff into the ground. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, big news today. Big, exciting news today. I don't know if it's exciting. I actually don't have any idea what it's going to actually mean. I think probably 10 years from now we'll look back and be like, oh, this is what happened, because of it, right, but Nikon bought red.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people seem excited. I guess my gut instinct is, if I'm a red user I might be a little concerned. I don't know, like I wouldn't be thrilled, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:If you're a red user, you got to be scared because, like anything could happen now.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't like I, like you just said, I don't think anything is going to happen, like it'll take time for things to happen. Like if let's say like let's say let's say it just becomes really shitty, or like they start doing things that red users don't like, I think that'll take a few years. What if?
Speaker 2:what if Nikon just makes a camera that's every bit as good as a $50,000 red, but they're selling it for $3,500. And then now you've got, you've invested 50 grand into a camera. That's now like nobody even wants it, like that's what I mean, that's.
Speaker 1:That's the worst case, the worst case scenario, that's the best case scenario for me and you, because we don't own one.
Speaker 2:But if you've already invested heavily into, that's why I just feel like I just don't ever know if I will buy a really, really expensive camera, because it feels like twice a year there's a chance that some company is going to go like hey, that thing, that's $100,000. This is better, it's 1900 bucks, yeah but that happens all the time anyway. Right, so I don't know why you should buy a $50,000. Camera is my point.
Speaker 1:It's a fucking gigantic risk. Most people have no business buying a camera that expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the only reason you should buy a camera that expensive is if, like you know, you have the work to where it's like. Well, this is going to pay for itself within the next 12 months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think there's so much good stuff, high quality stuff, that you could make with a less expensive camera that you know buying something like an Alexa or whatever, I don't even really put red. Like if you want to buy a $20,000 red camera, like OK, but you have to be like, hey, this is the only, this is the system I'm going to use for the next 12 years or something. You know what I mean. Like you can't know.
Speaker 2:You just have to know like oh, I get this day rate and I have this many days booked, so this camera will pay for itself with 10 percent of my monthly income, like that's when it makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's just so much stuff being done now. That's super high quality, and I'm seeing it done with less and less and less and it's like OK, well, that's that's where things are going, at least in the short term. That's that's where things are headed. What can we do with as little as? How can we maximize our content with as little as possible? And there's people out there doing a phenomenal job of it. I mean, yeah, people do an way better job than I am of it.
Speaker 1:You know, I've been watching these things on Instagram, like things like there's an account called like Johnny Johnny Rome's or something I don't know, and it's just like outdoor stuff. Like this guy like just goes on hikes or like he's traveling. He just shoots. Like some of them like are all tripod shots and there are these like beautiful sequences of like really great travel content and it looks great. And I don't think he's shooting on anything more than like a, like a pocket six K or something. I don't even know if that's what he's shooting on, but like I doubt he's shooting on red, I doubt he's shooting in Alexa, I doubt he's shooting right something insane, you know, and it looks, it looks incredible, it looks beautiful, it looks awesome.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I already told you this. I met somebody, one of my neighbors Well, not like an extra neighbor, somebody lives, you know, a couple blocks over whatever. Somebody walking by my house was telling me they, they produce a TV show that's on PBS, which like OK, that's not real TV but whatever. But you know, I was telling her that you know what I do, and she was like, oh, what cameras you shoot on, or whatever. And then I asked what she shoots on and they're like, oh, we make we shoot our show on the 5D Mark 2. Like a 5D Mark 2 and it's on TV and it's 2023.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So like, yeah, you don't really have to. You don't have to. I mean, I do think it's crazy, I wouldn't want to do that. But you know, like the cameras that I'm using now Are coming up on what do you think? Three years, four years old or something, and I think I might buy another one this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I. I still really like the pocket 4K. I I am a little more intrigued with the full frame 6K this month, but the ND filter thing is this month all of a sudden yeah, and I don't even yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, you don't have ND filters in your 4K, so to me the ND filter thing is a fucking like. Will not buy that. I'm just not going to buy that.
Speaker 1:It does the sensor, it does upset me and I had the 6K and the fucking and the mount pisses me off too I honestly, I honestly just see myself moving to Ursa's and then just calling it a day, you know that's about it. Focusing more on glass, moving to Ursa's and just kind of like going from there.
Speaker 2:I feel that the camera that I really want still doesn't exist. So I can be swayed Maybe my next camera is going to be a Nikon.
Speaker 1:Nikon is not known for their video, which I guess is why.
Speaker 2:I bought red, but that's got to be why they bought red. They've got to just be like how can start?
Speaker 1:that that's, that's my gut, but that's why. That's why my gut instinct was like, oh, this company that's never done anything, like never done anything, never done anything meaningful with video, all of a sudden in charge of Well, but I mean, if they just if they decide they want to do that buying that company is going to save them so many years on research and development.
Speaker 2:They're going to be in the business like as soon as the fucking you know contract signed. Yeah, and they've like dude I was seeing some numbers on their size or whatever and red makes like one hundred and fifteen million dollars a year or something. And Nikon is worth like just under five billion dollars. Yeah, so you know what I mean. Like if Nikon decides they're going to like Nikon, could they've got their money if they really wanted to. They could be like all right, we're going to make sure there's no reason anybody would ever buy a camera that's not a Nikon. We can make a camera better than an Ari and charge less than black magic if they want to. We'll see what happens. Yeah, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:I could see it going either way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they could also just run the company so separately that, like you know, a few years from now you're like hey, did you know that technically Nikon on Dredd? You're like, oh no shit, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:Like they could. They was run on his separate businesses why was red.
Speaker 2:Why were they?
Speaker 1:So weren't they suing each other? One was suing the other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were, yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah, the red was suing Nikon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the case got thrown out.
Speaker 2:Red was suing Nikon and the case got thrown out, which was a huge win for Nikon, and it was all about, I mean, red. See, the thing is I'm a little bit excited about this happening because I kind of like the red cameras and like there's things about them. They're like I want them. But I also have just like a lot of negative feelings about Red as a company. So for the company to go away and the cameras to still exist, I think like, okay, I'm, maybe I'm cool with that, but yeah, red are patent trolls and it mostly comes down to, like anybody that tried to offer, you know, raw compressed video. They were going to sue them because they had a patent that was going to last forever. But like that patent is holding back the in every single other company in the world that makes a camera. It's kind of bullshit. So I don't know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2:Our Nikon that was some of the questions I saw people typing. So are Nikon going to become patent trolls also now? Is that the business they're buying into, or are they going to open the floodgates and all of a sudden, every single camera is going to like, are they going to just open the licensing up to everyone and every single camera is going to have our 3D now, like that is what would be fucking dope, because just every single camera now has Red codec.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's a, it's a great file type, it's a good technology. Anyway, we'll see what happens. I still want a camera that has every feature and is affordable and that doesn't exist. Like if I make a list of all the features that I want and I go find me the camera that has all this. It doesn't exist. Yeah, like because I want, I want internal indies.
Speaker 2:Electronic indy would be preferable, but it doesn't have to be. As long as it can go down to zero, I don't care. So you know, an old school switch with glass inside, that's fine with me. Supposedly, electronic indy is a better technology, but like I haven't used it so I don't feel like I need it.
Speaker 2:But okay, to have internal indies, to have an image stabilized sensor, to have a full frame sensor, which, if you're going to image stabilize it, really I want slightly larger than full frame, to have really good autofocus, like really usable, really dependable autofocus, and to have a raw video codec and to be to be able to shoot in very low light with very low noise. That camera doesn't exist because, even like the ARIs and the REDs and stuff, they don't have autofocus and they don't have image stabilized sensors, which it's like, oh no, you're not supposed to. That's not real cinema like fuck off. It's a tool that works. Give me more tools and just put an on and off switch on it. If I decide I don't want it, then that's fine, but sometimes it's fucking really nice to have, I think you kind of just described the Ronin 4D.
Speaker 2:That can't be right now.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's so crazy, I love. Someday you'll hold one in your hands.
Speaker 2:Oh, and it has to have the form. It has to have the form factor of a real camera. It can't be an abomination. Does the Ronin 4D really have all those things? Does it have? Is the sensor stabilized or is it just a gimbal?
Speaker 1:camera. Yeah, I don't believe the sensor is stabilized.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't have internal ND.
Speaker 1:You don't really need it because it's I mean it pretty much is stabilized.
Speaker 2:so Does it have internal ND? Yes. Does it have autofocus? Yes. Does it have a full-frame sensor?
Speaker 1:Really good autofocus because it's Really Light R-based.
Speaker 2:It's not like it's not looking, it's not trying to find a face.
Speaker 1:I mean it can do that, but it's light R-based, so it's really good.
Speaker 2:That thing that Sony has where it uses AI to track the eyeball of a person. That works fucking surprisingly well. I don't have a lot of experience with it, but I used it on a set a couple weeks ago and I was just like man, this fucking, this is really nice. Yeah, I think it's probably as good as that.
Speaker 1:It has to be at least as good as that. I mean, it really is good autofocus. It's the best autofocus I've ever used.
Speaker 2:Is it a full-frame sensor?
Speaker 1:Yes, you do have the option, depending on the mode that you're shooting in.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess you got me. I guess I'll buy a.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not buying it. You know, what I love is that you can basically switch from like a gimbal look, you know, to a handheld look, by just pushing it by, like you can lock off the gimbal, yeah it like locks off and it looks Now and then it just looks so handheld and it's awesome.
Speaker 2:What's the mount?
Speaker 1:EF. They have different ones. I'm right now I'm just using DJI's like DL mount or whatever, just to start, but you can get. They have all sorts. They don't have EF, but they have a Leica mount and some other one. I think they have a Sony mount and the PL. I'd have to look. I'd have to look if they have PL. I haven't dove into that because I only needed a few lenses to start, but yes, I mean how?
Speaker 2:much would you love it if I end up buying that camera and I'm like yep, you were right all along.
Speaker 1:I don't think I would really gloat that much, to be honest. I'd be like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not much of a gloater. I would gloat Like if she was on the other foot.
Speaker 1:I mean, I would gloat for like maybe 60 seconds, but then I'd probably have my fill. Oh typing it in, typing it in, looking it up. What else? Checking the bank account?
Speaker 2:I feel like that's everything I felt that I needed to talk to you about. I got my lawn plugged in. I guess I already told you about that last week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just four short years until you have that trash barrier that you're open for.
Speaker 2:I love that people in my neighborhood are like they're super into what I'm up to. And then they're like, what are you doing? And then I tell them my plan and then they immediately start telling me what I should do instead. Are their?
Speaker 1:ideas ever better, or no?
Speaker 2:Well, all of their ideas are very, very Are just very costly, and my plan is my plan specifically is how can I get what I want with the least amount of dollars invested? And I'm willing to.
Speaker 1:You're trying to flip a house. Yeah, I'm trying to make a profit here. They're trying to be like you know, it would be a lot easier. And it's like, yeah, it would be a lot easier.
Speaker 2:Oh you got to call. One person was like oh, you got to call this guy and he'll come over here and they'll bring like 10 Mexicans. One of my pet peeves is when somebody describes, when somebody says Mexican, but they say it like it's a job title instead of a human being.
Speaker 2:Anyway when they're like what you need is a couple of Mexicans, like they say it, like you need a couple plumbers or a couple of landscape. They're like you just need a couple of Mexicans. And I'm like, all right, take it easy over there. Yeah, first of all. But no, everybody right off the bat is just like All their suggestions are like, oh, just pay thousands of dollars for this and thousands of dollars for that, or oh, you know what you should do it. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm trying to get, I'm trying to do this project for $60. Your solution is $15,000. Do you see how? That's not the same. So the trade-off is my solution will take a lot longer and I'm having to put in a lot more manual labor myself, but I'm going to save tens of thousands of dollars in the long run and get to the result I'm after. Anyway, I don't know, dude, what's doing? Hey, it's not snowing this year in Colorado.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to snow a little bit today and tomorrow.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I mean it's been. We've had some nice days. I've been able to. I definitely am using my turf a lot more than I thought I would during the winter.
Speaker 2:Well, I started looking at lift tickets because I'm going to try and go snowboarding at the end of April and then so I go to look at all the Just see, okay, what would it cost to go to? Where do I want to go this time? I'm not bound by a season pass, I'm just going for one day. I can maybe go somewhere. I've never been whatever and other than Breckenridge, all of the Vale resorts, so Vale, beaver, keystone, I don't know, there's probably more I'm not thinking of.
Speaker 2:They're all like they don't have any tickets for sale in April and they're saying that they're sold out, but all of March is not sold out. So that doesn't seem right to me, because March is way more popular than April. There's no logical reason why March would sell out in April. I was talking to my brother and he was saying, oh, they probably just don't have those tickets available yet because they're not sure if they're going to be able to be open in April because there's only been like two big snow weekends all year and I guess they're worried that they're going to have to. The resorts are worried they're going to have to close early this year because they're not getting any snowfall. Yeah, have you heard anything like that?
Speaker 1:You're not a skier. The last two years have definitely been rougher for skiing, but I know my friend just went to Keystone over the weekend and he had a good time. He didn't mention the snow sucked or anything like that, but I could see it being that maybe it's going to get warmer earlier this year or something. Maybe they're predicting that.
Speaker 2:We're just not going to get it If you hear anything like that or you see any reports about that, just text them on over to me so I can get some insider info. Because I haven't been now in two or three seasons. And so like yeah, I've fucking booked flights and I'm making all these arrangements and I'm going to be up there and I'm getting ready to buy lift tickets and stuff. And now I'm like wait, is it going to be the fucking worst slopes I've ever been on? Because that's kind of a fucking pommer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does suck when it's like really icy or just like no. Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 2:No fresh stuff, I've gone like one of the first years I lived in Colorado they stayed open Like it was like the latest they'd stayed open in a long time. And it was like early June, like the first week of June or something, and I went just to be like, wow, it's crazy, you're snowboarding in June, but it fucking sucked, man. And like the whole thing, it is just ice, like it's not snow. What happens is like it falls, it turns wet when the sun is up and then overnight it freezes hard. So you get there in the morning and when you're going like on the first couple of runs in the beginning part of the day you're just sliding on ice and it's really hard to not fall, and then when you do fall it fucking hurts way worse. And then after a couple hours it's like it turns into like a slushy, like it's all just wet and it's fucking gross and that sucks too. Like just all around.
Speaker 2:It's not fun, yeah, and I just remember like well, I'm not doing this again. I'm never doing late season again. I'm going to get all my snowboarding done in February and here I am going, at the end of April and apparently the fucking warmest year ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you might almost have to look at like Aspen or Telluride. Have you thought about that?
Speaker 2:What has been is not going to happen. Yeah, it's no, it's, it's for the drive. It's just not reasonable. Well, you'd fly there. No, I'm only. I'm already flying into Colorado Springs and going to your house. But no, I mean, my brother lives in Aurora. That's who I'm going with. We're going to go on a Friday. He's only got one day off of work. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like he's gonna be working Thursday.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get a Friday morning dry out that.
Speaker 2:And now there's no flying Fly. This is not meant to be a multi-thousand dollar experiment we're gonna get. We got to wake up Friday morning. We got a drive out there two or three hours snowboard for a day and then drive back two or three hours same day. So there's no like we can't spend 12 hours round tripping to it, aspen or telluride.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think you're like how much do you think? A fucking lift ticket? Is it aspen? I've never been. I don't want to like a thousand. I'm gonna look it up. Right now I don't want to know.
Speaker 1:I bet it's horrible tickets.
Speaker 2:Let's see, okay, so it's not outrageous about twice as much. No, it's only like 240 bucks. Oh, for one day. For one day, oh that's not terrible. Yeah, that's not too bad. Well, like I was looking to go in a winter park for a hundred and one dollar, I've never been a winter park, so I think we may go there because it was also the cheapest. I found only a hundred and one dollars. It's pretty.
Speaker 1:Do-able. Yeah, it's a lot smaller, though, from what I understand.
Speaker 2:Is that right yeah?
Speaker 1:I've never been there.
Speaker 2:I, I get it's got to be big enough that I'll be fine with it going one time. One day, yeah, even a small resort. If you're only going one day out of the whole year, it's fine. When you get a three or five day trip, that's where you're like fuck, we should have gone to veil, hey.
Speaker 1:I have a question. All right, hit me. I've been sending you some videos of aliens and UFO sightings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have you not been getting them?
Speaker 1:No, are you just not watching?
Speaker 2:It's possible that I take one second and then, like, immediately remove it from my mind forever, because this doesn't sound familiar as it is right now.
Speaker 1:I don't recall, I've been sending you to links to like videos that are pretty freaking believable.
Speaker 2:Links, or one link one time I.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure I've sent you a few links over the last. Well, I sent you the big foot one, remember. Do you remember the big foot one I sent?
Speaker 2:you thinking of a different Dustin?
Speaker 1:no, Dude, you just don't, you just don't. I think you just ignore me when I some do that stuff when you see me something that is just super dumb. I probably don't one of like one of the most realistic, looking kind of like big foot videos I've ever check out the vids in this one.
Speaker 2:They're at the very. They're, at the very least, pretty cool. Would be great in my alien movie. Oh yeah, I'd definitely never click that link.
Speaker 1:You know what I think I saw.
Speaker 2:I saw the thumbnail with the fake alien and I just was like I'm not watching this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I sent another one and and I was like what do you think of that? And you're like I don't think anything other. I so it makes me think you never even watched it.
Speaker 2:I don't see that.
Speaker 1:It's like big foot, like moving some really big trees in the wilderness. But then I like I got a screenshot of when you could kind of see big foot's face and then I put it in that topaz AI thing. Oh so now that makes it real. It the person looked like the. It looks like a person kind of, but like, like, either like they did crazy makeup or something. It looks like a person, but like big. It looks like a big person with like crazy hit, like long flowing hair and huge eyebrows and like almost like I, almost like almost like Zeus, like I don't know weird stuff, but I send it to you and then I guess you don't care. I.
Speaker 2:Just can't be bothered with that. I mean, dude, there's enough real stuff I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's real fake stuff could be real. Well you know, Look, when there's, when there's a big foot standing on top of me, then I'll be like fuck this. This just getting serious.
Speaker 1:With, as long as it's just on the internet.
Speaker 2:I, I can't care, I just can't care. Big big foot would have to be putting his big foot in my ass for me to be like I guess this is real. Even still, I would still think it's a scooby-doo scenario or it's just some creep in a mask, in a costume, yeah yeah, I don't know. And I mean, if there are aliens like, what are they waiting for? Will you come just fucking in this misery called human existence? It's enough already. I.
Speaker 2:Mean honestly, all right. Every time I have like a like, something I really want, don't want to do like go film a wedding or something I'm like, fuck, this would be a good day for the nuclear fallout to start. So get out of this. Could you imagine like if you work out really hard and then Eat really healthy, and then the world ends and you're like, fuck man, I could have just sat on the couch and eat an ice cream today, but instead I fucking did that workout for nothing.
Speaker 1:Oh, mean that'd be. That could be the case pretty soon.
Speaker 2:It could happen.
Speaker 1:All right, is this a good?
Speaker 2:podcast, now I mean I. Can definitely feel that there's just absolute momentum loss. There's no.
Speaker 1:No, I think we talked about what we wanted to talk about, and now I'm kind of looking ahead at the time and you know I gotta get some editing done.
Speaker 2:So I got things to do as well. I Don't feel that my, I'm feeling my I Don't know like I don't know if you're like this, but like whenever you finish a project and then you're like not exactly sure which project to get into next, like I'm kind of like in between things, I Don't know. I just feel like I'm not Fulfilling my days right now. Like I get like I have a couple things I'm working on, but they're not things that take all day, and so I'm like I get to a point where it's like three or four in the afternoon and I'm like alright, I've done like six things today. I don't really feel like I'm up for starting a seventh thing, so I'm just gonna fucking sit here Because I don't have you know, I think, if you're, If you're flipping a house, I think, couldn't you fill the in-between time with painting?
Speaker 1:Because you can just always that's what I'm doing, that's what I'm doing, but like so one of the things that's going on right now is you're painting me and I'm painting my.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, listen. I'm painting my cabinet doors right now and I've basically converted my entire kind of workshop in the basement into a paint booth and because of that I can't get to any of my other tools. I'm very weary of doing anything that would make dust like sawdust or anything, and so I'm kind of just like, well, as long as these, fucking, as long as these doors are sitting here with wet paint on them and I'm just waiting on them to dry, there's not really anything else I can do. I Can't even like get to my other, like my other paint tools, like rollers and stuff, like if I was gonna go inside and then I don't know. Just there's nothing that's ready to paint.
Speaker 2:Like Painting requires a lot of prep, and there isn't anything that I feel like I can start now and be done with In time for, because I'm supposed to be working on this TV show and that was supposed to start this Thursday. Now, now might be Friday, or now might be Monday, now might be Tuesday, whatever. But the point is there isn't really anything where I feel like, oh, I can go in, I can do all this drywall dust. I mean, I can do all this drywall work and get it cleaned up and get it primed and painted and have everything cleaned in the house back to normal in time for me to start this job. So I'm just not gonna start it, because what would happen is I would make a big fucking mess and then I start the job and then for the next fucking five weeks my wife is just stuck in this construction zone nightmare, while I'm not even living here except for a few hours in the night to sleep.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of like I just like I'm not in a good position to start things right now. Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you All right.
Speaker 1:Thanks everybody for listening. Appreciate it. Now that this podcast is over, I'm gonna go clean out my paint sprayer and and fuck, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I honestly don't. I also have been trying to get my taxes done and I Don't know I got a weekend on that and I don't know how people are accountants, because it is the most fucking boring shit you could ever. I fucking hate it so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's lame. I I always dread it, even though it's only gonna take two days of my time.
Speaker 2:I'm always miserable, so I always Am a lazy piece of shit and I don't keep up with my books and stuff all year. So then I wait till Spring and then I have to go through every bank account and credit card statement and everything for the last year and do Forensics on myself to figure out what I made and what I spent. So that's, it's not just doing the taxes, it's, it's I'm doing a year's worth of accounting and yeah, so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I used to be pretty organized where it's like well, every business expense is gonna be from this one account. Everything, every dollar I earn, comes into it, every dollar I spend comes out of it. But then what happens is I have all these different credit cards that have different incentives and different bonuses for this than that, and I you want to take advantage of that. So now my expenses are spread across four or five different accounts because I wanted to get the points I don't want her to save. You know, I want to get some mileage for my flight and I want to whatever. And so now I'm just fucking spread out all over the place Because I was trying to get free Southwest flights, or I was trying to get a zero, or I was trying to get Will pay the tax for you on payboot at B&H, or I was trying to get 12 months financing on Amazon or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some of those things are traps.
Speaker 2:They are. But I don't know, sometimes you can win. You like being trapped, I Love, I love getting. Hey. If I don't trap myself into something, I won't do something, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, until next time. Everybody later later.